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Okay, I'm stealing this directly from "Dr Who", episode "The Parting of the Ways" (2005) - it's on now on the Sci-Fi channel  ;-)

"...you hate your own existence, and that makes them more dangerous than ever."  Doesn't that sound like a great generalized idea for TAT bad guys? I think there was a discussion at some point about what motivates our bad guys - and there's the usual greed and power - but what motivates them to take the route they do? Illegal instead of legal? Violence versus negotiations?

Anyway, I just heard that and I thought - I *have* to remember that!  :D

Date: 2008-01-25 08:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beckyblack
Yeah, we had the discussion around the Deadly Manouvers episode discussion. I did an exceeding long wittering post about motivation.

I did some more similar wittering about motivation in general here.

Oh and you get Dr Who there! Yay!

It is a good quote. That's when the Daleks have gone all religious isn't it? Religious motivation is an interesting one too, as it leads people to such extremes, either a life of service to others in the name of their religion, or to murder and mayhem, again in the name of the religion. So what sends on person down one path and one down the other?

Is there some inherant character flaw what makes a person not prepared to be patient and work to build a career and make money, and instead become a gangster? It can't just be laziness, I'm sure gangsters put in the hours too. Impatience? A realisation that "wait, crime DOES pay!"

Date: 2008-01-25 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ostarella.livejournal.com
I think there is something "inside" that makes a person go one way or the other - separate from an "outside" motivator, like religion or greed. I mean, look at all the kids who grow up in the inner city - a lot of them join gangs, or get into drugs - but a lot of them don't (and naturally they don't get the attention of the press). But what makes one kid turn to drugs and gangs, and another, with the same environment, the same family situation, stay on the straight and narrow? I mean, sure there's parental influence, but that only goes so far. At some point, the kid has to make their own choice.

I think that's why that quote struck me. It's like maybe people really don't like themselves - deep down, they don't think they're "good enough" to make it in the straight-arrow world, so they go to the other. And the more successful they are ("friends", money, power) the more they use that to bolster their ego, to show everyone that they *are* as good as anyone else.

And yes, we do get Dr. Who! :D Although they never seem to show them in order - right after this Dr dies and the new one comes, then the next one they showed was the first doctor again :p

Anyway, now I need to check that link and the list again (still haven't been removed - ?) so I can save stuff for future perusals :D

Date: 2008-01-25 10:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beckyblack
think that's why that quote struck me. It's like maybe people really don't like themselves - deep down, they don't think they're "good enough" to make it in the straight-arrow world, so they go to the other. And the more successful they are ("friends", money, power) the more they use that to bolster their ego, to show everyone that they *are* as good as anyone else.

Sounds right. And as well as boosting themselves they have to put others down, again to try and prove superiority over them. Because they fear inside they are less worthy in reality, so must tear the other down.

I'm suddenly thinking of Ebeneezer Scrooge and Bob Cratchitt. Scrooge can't understand how Bob can be poor and happy, can he, since Scrooge thinks only money had any value, not the things Bob values. And we know that he's jealous too. He's rich yet miserable, so can't stand to see someone going around being happy for reasons he can't understand. He must try to make Bob and anyone like him, miserable, so they don't have anything that's superior to Scrooge.

Date: 2008-01-25 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ostarella.livejournal.com
Definitely agree with Scrooge/Marley - miserable people cannot stand to see other people happy.

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