The Saga Continues - Another PM!

[ostarella]

Yes, she did! She sent me another one - which I again have sent to TPTB over at DS. Some neat quotes, folks:

"he was very hungover the Saturday of the Motor City Comic Con by his own admission during the his panel (which I have on camera now)"

Strange - because as I've said before, I was at that con and he certainly didn't look hung over to me. And I'd love to see her film of that panel (again, which I also was at) - must be a wonder in the world of "creative editing"

This referring to some person (no one I know, btw) who is apparently part of the infamous Dirkette Mafia (which, I'm proud to say, she now includes me as a member):

"she will pay for any vandalism to my mother's house no matter who really does it. I weigh more then she does, am stronger and I have my sanity."

Not only does that sound like an absolute threat, but my god - she has her "sanity" - by whose definition?

"I'm too grown up."

Right...

"Karma is a bitch and it does go around"

Does she even know what karma is?

She told me not to bother responding - and there probably is no point, as she would ignore anything I said. Funny, she's perfectly willing to say this crap in a PM but has yet to post publicly on DS. I'll bet when she does, it'll be so profound and full of truths it'll just knock our socks off...

Comments

[billy-shriner.livejournal.com]

This referring to some person (no one I know, btw) who is apparently part of the infamous Dirkette Mafia (which, I'm proud to say, she now includes me as a member):

"she will pay for any vandalism to my mother's house no matter who really does it. I weigh more then she does, am stronger and I have my sanity."

Isn't that stalking? ...a Dirk Fan, not even Dirk - SCARY!!!!

[mossy62.livejournal.com]

Oh my,will she never give up? What does she think she will achieve by such statements? You're much too nice, still trying to be fair to her. She doesn't even know what that word means.

I seriously thought about blocking her on DS, but I want to know what's going on. I hope she'll stay quiet, but I'm afraid she won't.

[odonaill.livejournal.com]

She won't say anything on the DS board because she knows she'll get trounced if she begins the flaming. It's been made *very* clear to her how the other posters feel and what they won't tolerate.

She'll begin to single out individuals and use the PM system. That PM she sent ostarella was unprovoked and her "don't contact me again" is all part of the sick game she plays.

She'll instigate, then when the poster responds, she'll cry "they're stalking me!"

She seems to have this dillusion that she's constantly on DB's mind and she deserves to be front and center in his life. So she continues to bait and flame in order to stay in the "spotlight". It's the attention she craves.

She's like a child. If she can't get positive attention, she'll throw tantrums to get ( albeit ) negative attention. To her it doesn't matter. It's attention all the same.

[ani-bester.livejournal.com]

(which I have on camera now)

As oppossed not having it on her camera earlier? Was there some recreation of this event? Did some secret friend send her photos that they took? Did the magic camera gnomes give her photos that hadn't been on her camera before?

I want pictures of celebrities to magically appear on my camera! I wouldn't even mind if they are admitting they are drunk, because that would mean I have a magic talking camera!

Which would be kinda cool.

[ostarella.livejournal.com]

I'm with you on the blocking - I'd considered it earlier, but then she could say anything outrageous and it would go unchecked.

You're much too nice, still trying to be fair to her.

Well, it's not so much being fair as making sure she can't say I'm bullying her (which she will anyway, but that's beside the point). She has had some nasty things done, but she's asked for it. She can't expect people to just sit back and take what she dishes out - there are better ways and worse ways of dealing with it, though.

She pushes me too far and - well, I've had lots of practice at defensive dirty-play myself ;-)

[ostarella.livejournal.com]

As long as she stays off the forum, and lets everyone else enjoy it, I don't mind the PMs. I'd prefer she just disappeared, of course, but better a private tirade than put the last nail in the coffin of DS...besides, I can say things in any response pms that I wouldn't/shouldn't in public :p

[ostarella.livejournal.com]

As oppossed not having it on her camera earlier?

Yeah, I liked that. Dirk probably sent it to her, as a show of his support...

okay, now that I've pulled my head out of the toilet...

[odonaill.livejournal.com]

Just be careful if you decide to respond to her in PM's because I can guarantee you, it will spill over into e-mails. Then you'll begin blocking and she'll just come up with another e-mail address to harass you with.

I've blocked 12 of them already.

She did this over on DBC. She came on and the staff, aware of the situation, let her stay because she stated she would not post, only view. She began to harass members via PM who contacted us and Dawg had a chat with her about the rules of the PM system. She went off on him and he promptly banned her.

If she can find a back door, she will.

[ostarella.livejournal.com]

That's why I try to stick with specifics when I address her at all. And I think that's why she gets so bent out of shape with me - she and I actually had a fairly long exchange earlier, and when I kept coming back to specifics of where she was distorting things, and kept telling her if she would drop the issue, it would die - that's when the ranting began. But she attacks, then gets retribution, and in response, attacks yet again.

I did try to ignore her, but, as we've discussed before, there comes a point where one cannot sit back silently. And even then, I tried to reason with her. "Play nice", as it were. But that didn't work. And instead of taking this second ban as a clear indication that she needs to shut up, she's going the pm route to circumvent it. By contacting me, and making accusations against me (somehow I'm involved in the cyberstalking and threats now) she's made it personal. Had she not pm'd me to begin with...

So yeah, there's fault on both sides - but she has only herself to blame for starting the whole circus to begin with.

[ostarella.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I know not to take her lightly. Definitely. But I do have a "leg up", in that my "very protective" brother is a criminal attorney, and has many friends/acquaintances in the various DA's offices. So if she gets anything other than "buzzing fly" bothersome...

Big brothers are nice to have, sometimes ;-)

[mossy62.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah, Dirk would of course get drunk and then send the evidence to his most beloved fan...

Argh! Ostarella, is there some room over the toilet?

[billy-shriner.livejournal.com]

She's like a child. If she can't get positive attention, she'll throw tantrums to get ( albeit ) negative attention. To her it doesn't matter. It's attention all the same.

Then you should all choose to ignore her... Put it this way, that's what I do to my 3 year old when he pulls a strop!

[odonaill.livejournal.com]

I just hope Dirk is none the wiser by these crazies!!!

Unfortunately, he is the wiser and alienated has made sure of that. This is what happens when you post your mailing address on the internet. All the "crazies" know exactly where to find you.

[billy-shriner.livejournal.com]

I want pictures of celebrities to magically appear on my camera! I wouldn't even mind if they are admitting they are drunk, because that would mean I have a magic talking camera!

Ani... when you get one, can you let me know where you got it... Coz I WANT one too :D (save me spending money on ebay for a start :D - which by the way I have a little collect going from ebay, and I really should share on DTD but I don't have a scanner, so need to take photo's of them - with my *real* digital camera - you know, the one where you do have to point and shoot!) lol!

[billy-shriner.livejournal.com]

okay... so I hope he's not getting involved. :D

I'd like to think Dirk had some secretary to deal with all his *stuff* but when I got my envelope back, he actually signed the customs thingy on the front of the envelope... so it looks like he took it to the post office himself lol! (Or maybe some nice courier guy came to his door - but even so... Dirk signed the outside of the envelope - I can't think what the things called now! ..something to do with customs.)

[odonaill.livejournal.com]

okay... so I hope he's not getting involved. :D

He's not.
He's a smart man and knows the signs of the few who are off their nut.
Trust me...he's no mug ;-)

[ostarella.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I've seen that. I don't know when this supposedly happened, but I do know the authorities take stalking more seriously now than they used to. And it all depends on the nature of the perceived threat, as well as what led up to it. A lot of that whole thing we just don't know. And frankly, I don't want to.

[ostarella.livejournal.com]

Well, that's been tried. She just gets worse. I used to ignore my boy's tantrums, as well - but then when he started throwing things to get my attention - let's just say he got it. And he learned not to do it again. Unfortunately, she apparently doesn't catch on as quickly as a three-year-old...

[odonaill.livejournal.com]

That's true.
We've all tried the "reasoning" approach. That didn't work.
Then we tried the "calm and nice" approach. That went over like a lead ballon.
Then we tried the "ignoring" route. And she got louder.

You can't win with someone who is beyond reasoning with and will scream at the top of their lungs until *someone* turns around and notices it.

[billy-shriner.livejournal.com]

oh obviously not as clever then ;-)

[billy-shriner.livejournal.com]

okay - so I can see that either way... you're not going to win (quickly)... I will never complain about my 3 year old ever again :D

okay - so comparing her to my 3 year old once again... another piece of advice I got (and I am by no means supermum here or anything) was "Choose your battles wisely." Some things I give in to, let my 3 year old win... others I don't. So with this, choose some things to ignore, and others, go all hell blazing :D

[billy-shriner.livejournal.com]

oh I don't doubt he's a smart man. I know he's a smart man - trust me... that's the appeal, plus his good looks :sigh:

In fact I believe in/agree with a lot of things that he says, (what I've read in his books etc.) - I'm just not strong enough to give up sugar :D

[odonaill.livejournal.com]

Oh giving up sugar is *hard*. I loved my sweets, but I did manage to find some barley malt hard candies that helped through the transition.
And my teeth are much happier LOL.

[ostarella.livejournal.com]

"Choose your battles wisely."

Definitely. There are a lot of little snide comments she's made that just aren't worth responding to. And a few more that required a subtle "yeah, right" type of response. Then there are the big ones, like accusing Dirk of being a drunk. *That* demanded a strong no-BS response. And basically, that's the progression of her comments - if something gets ignored, she ups the ante. And much as you'd like to ignore everything, on a public forum you really can't - not if you care at all about the people being maligned. Because there are people out there who don't know about her, and will actually believe the crap she spreads (not only about Dirk but about others as well). And I know if it were me being talked about that way, I'd like to think *somebody* would say something in my defense.

[ostarella.livejournal.com]

That's my weakness for sure. It's the Norwegian in me ;-) Every now and then I sneak a cinnamon roll with butter cream frosting...and I can just see this look of disgust from the little man on my shoulder LOL

But I've really done well otherwise. I'm even becoming a passable cook - well, maybe that's exaggerating a little. It's edible. But I keep trying ;-)